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Could Amazing Spider-Man 2 Be Hinting At Future Clone Saga

Sony has announced that they plan to build a whole universe of films surrounding just Spider-Man, and as a Spider-Man fan this couldn’t be any cooler. However beyond the initial Sinister Six and core films, we don’t really know where else they will go. Unless they were indeed giving us very slight clues in the movie and current game.  Based on what we’ve seen so far, we think it might be possible that Sony is heading towards an adaptation of the Clone Saga.

It is important to remember that this is all speculation, none of this is confirmed or mentioned by the studio itself. We just want to know what you think!

For starters, let me explain a few possible routes in the comics. The first being the clone saga. The Clone Saga was a major story arc in the 90’s that took off rather well. It was originally intended to only last a year, but due to massive success it grew even bigger than it’s original idea. Yet to get the whole idea we need to step back a bit, and head into the 70’s. This is when Gwen Stacy died in the comics, which lead to all kinds of trouble. Peter eventually goes on to love Mary Jane, but a certain scientist doesn’t. Turns out this scientist liked Gwen and wanted to clone her. He also ends up cloning Peter, which leads him to find out he is Spider-Man, and thus he creates another Spider-Man to kill Spider-Man.

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That story is pretty far fetched though, and unless the next films do flashbacks, they never did set up the story at all. You would need Gwen at least talking with Miles Warren, or masked Jackal. Yet at the end of this series they start to introduce Scarlet Spider, which leads into the second Clone Saga.

The most prominent Scarlet Spider is Ben Reily. He lived in the shadows for many years, and then came across Peter. They battled it out, but ultimately decided to fight together. Then along came Kaine which was the first failed clone of Peter. He was set out to die, but his ultimate goal was to kill Spider-Man. He ended up killing Ben Reily instead, and felt an ever growing gilt. It wasn’t until previously in the new Scarlet Spider series that this was fully played out and Kaine became a hero to make up for his wrongdoings. It is truly an excellent series if anyone skipped it!

We will get to the spoiler part for Clone Saga as we explain the movie in a second. Yet it leads to another route the movies may take. This one is called Identity Crisis and it has Norman Osborn behind the scenes. He basically set up small town crook to be killed and made it seem as though Spider-Man did it all. He then used this power to turn the entire city against Peter. Mary Jane then comes in and helps Peter create 4 new identities, two are heros and two are villains. This allowed Peter to exploit the whole ordeal to get in with the villains while also not getting killed.

Now on to what all this has to do with the movies and the hints it throws at you. Lets jump back to that spoiler for clone saga. It turns out that the entire clone saga was orchestrated by Norman Osborn, the actual Green Goblin. He tricks Peter into thinking he is the clone, but Ben Reily saves him to prove Osborn wrong and thus dies. The same thing is happening with Identity Crisis, it is all Osborns fault.

That is a big key here because in the comic book world Osborn is a massive villain all throughout the entire Marvel universe and is the key villain, up until recently at least when Doc Ock took the spot. So him only getting a few minutes of screen time and dying felt a bit strange to me. Which is where his serum comes into play. Osborn does die several times in the comics, one of his most iconic deaths is reversed when he takes a Goblin serum to come back and orchestrate identity crisis. When he starts to feel better, he learns that his son (Harry) was actually using the serum as well and messed a few things up. The constantly switch roles throughout the universe of Spider-Man, when one exerts his authority, the other becomes Hob Goblin, and so on.

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Besides one of the most iconic characters dying so fast, we have several smaller hints throughout the entire world revolving around the new movie. The next key factor is that the movie pointed out the idea of “several Spider-men” at multiple points in the film. They were all played off, but one thing you learn as a filmmaker is that everything in view or on script has a purpose. One key aspect that wasn’t really ever played out was when Peter and Harry are talking along the shoreline. Harry once again mentions that there could be more than one Spider-Man patrolling the streets, and right after he mentions that it cuts to the van to showcase people listening in on the conversation. They look at each other and then it goes back to Peter playing it off. Other aspects of it are early when the news says there could be more than one, and another time it states it in the paper with a big headline. It could even go as far as the little kids that step up and pretend to be Spider-Man mean something big!

Now these could be very subtle clues, but it goes even further than that. During the whole marketing approach to the movie, Sony also had a Daily Bugle viral promotion going on. In one of the headlines it mentions none other than Miles Warren, The Jackal, and as mentioned above he is the scientist that creates the clones of Spider-Man! You can read the whole excerpt below, or skip it to get even more clues.

It’s either a sign of the times or a sign of the apocalypse...

Manhattan’s Empire State University announced a new class for the 2014 fall semester in advanced bio-genetics that will actually require the successful cloning of a living creature. Introduction to Live Cloning, taught by noted geneticist Professor Miles Warren, is the first class of its kind anywhere in the world.

When asked about the ethical aspects of teaching a class on how to clone living cells, Warren said, "Our responsibility is to educate our students and prepare them for life. For those who study genetics or biology, cloning will be a fact of life."

The ethical aspects of cloning are irrelevant to Warren, who added, “We are cloning single-celled amoeba. Maybe one day we’ll work our way up to mice. There is no ethical dilemma. Save your red flag for when I start cloning co-eds..."

Another interesting aspect revolving around the movie is the movie based game. The game supposedly follows along the movies, but overall veers off on it’s own in a way. Yet it took several clues from the marketing and exploiting them. We have Carnage in the game and we have Kraven in the game. Which I was hoping would play out in the movie, but perhaps they will. Kraven plays a big importance with the clones of Spider-Man, more so with Kain and Ben. Carnage could be coming due to the Goblin Syrum, which in a certain version of the comics helps create Venom. Overall the death of Gwen in the comics makes Peter emotional, and the black suit lets him release some nerves, so these storylines could be closer than we think!

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That being said, the game puts a huge emphasis on alternate costumes. Within these costumes though is the clones and costumes from Identity Crisis. It seems a bit odd to go out of their way to add costumes of all possible features. The game also does a good job of explaining where these costumes are from and their importance in the timeline.

I think it is a safe bet because the movie itself also hints at these possible characters. During sequences involving Harry going through files, if you pay close attention there are several instances of files showcasing enemy character names. For example, just before revealing Doc Ock and Vulture costumes, we see files titled Carnage, Kraven, and even possible clone experiments. Leading me to believe the guys making the game were allowed to further exploit possible future movies.

To me the entire movie consisted of what is to come. The core of the movie was Gwen’s story, everything around that story was just setting up future stories. This is something comic books do too. Every three issues you have a core story, but within those issue you have stuff that is subtly setting up future stories. I think the movie did a good job of this, and with just one movie they have so many routes to go. They even brought in Felicia, the future Black Cat, which will get in the way of MJ, or could even get her own movie.

So while the overwhelming dig seems to be The Sinister Six reveal, to me that was the obvious reveal. The movie could very well be revealing something more. Remember Sony wants to create a universe and release a film every year. Simply The Sinister Six and Venom/Carnage will only get them so far. So perhaps bigger intertwining story arcs like these two, and even stand alone clone movies, are needed to do it?

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  • This is something I could see Sony doing, if for no other reason than to flesh out their Spider-Verse and give an alternate "hero" to base movies off of, and possibly do team-up films with. But I'm hesitant...While it could make for some interesting screen time, I didn't care for the Clone Saga all that much.

    For me, it cheapens things. When characters can be cloned and brought back, it makes death less important, and it's a big issue I have with Marvel's films right now. I don't feel any tension from their movies, as they aren't willing to make big sacrifices (even Coulson came back from the dead). One of the biggest things I like in TASM2 was that someone really important died. It's a risk to kill off someone major, and Sony's one of the few studios willing to do so (even though it was part of the comics). Clones would make that less impactful.

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